and unfortunately there have been some horrific accidents there. i think that -- one of the things i am aware of even in the downtown area -- it's interesting when you go by the mos coney center there are signals to tell pedestrian when is to walk and not to walk but if you go to fourth and mission or fourth and market you don't have those same signals so people are just always walking. i also think -- i know it's not popular. i think we should cite jay walkers. they do in los angeles and i got a ticket 20 years ago and never did it again and i think we need to make the pedestrians aware of the rules and they must respect traffic as well and there needs to be outreach there. >> mr. lagos. >> yes, this is a very interesting question and it affects everybody, and i come

from a city originally where the cars are king, los angeles, and one of the reasons i came here because the car isn't king here, but for pedestrians it is a problem, and i support reducing automobile traffic in certain parts of san francisco because i think there are parts of san francisco dangerous for pedestrians and bicyclists and i would support any proposal to reduce traffic and those zones in san francisco that have been shown to be dangerous for pedestrians. >> all right. thank you sir. mr. rogers. >> i hope this doesn't seem like a continual drum beat but if they make the park merced project go forward there is going to be a lot more traffic on 19th avenue. with that said i know the cameras are slowing

people from going across the yellow lights into the red lights and i think the more they put those up the more -- i think the people that drive will be careful, but really if you want to stop the traffic in park merced you just have to stop the park merced development. >> all right. thank you. >> i have a personal story about 19th avenue. i live right across the street. i know 19th avenue. i acrossed it in 65 years a million times. my father was killed nearby and i know what it's like. my father was 79 years old and he was hit so i do know. the problem is not the cars. it's just i believe if we got with the san francisco police department as well as the san francisco state police department enforce the laws that we do have you would

alleviate a lot of the problems. enforce the jay walking rule. enforce the traffic light rules. enforce the laws that we already have in existence. 19th avenue is the most traveled block or street in the city, so enforce the laws that we have on the books. >> all right. thank you sir. mr. yee. >> i also have a similar personal attitude about pedestrian safety. maybe some of you remember six years ago in the niewmp newspaper for several days i got hit by a car crossing the street and crushed my neck and was in the hospital and almost died so this issue is near and dear to me, so the 19th avenue is a unique situation. unfortunately it's controlled by caltrans i think, but here are

three things we suggest that we do if we had control over it. number one, increase the yellow light to one or two seconds that would help a lot and versus when they cross the street and running the red light. number two, this might not be as popular but i would fight like crazy to get the over pass pedestrians to go over than rather than going through the traffic, and number three i agree we need to enforce the existing laws for traffic. >> all right. thank you. >> 19th avenue is indeed a state route that means real coordination between the city and caltrans. supervisor else berd appointed me to that committee years ago and i am pleaded -- i am a map person and geeing on grapher and i think what is important to focus this

geographically and looked at schools and community centers and senior centers and what is worse -- the worse areas? and focusing on those i know 19th avenue needs the flashing hands and lots of improvement in the lighting and the timing of the lighting and seeing where the worse areas are. >> thank you. this problem will not go away literally because the traffic patterns from san jose up to including marin county. we have the 19th avenue hallway and win son and judith and irving. it's controlled by caltrans. i think we need to reduce speeds. i think we need to put in the disability lights that time folks with noises and

i also think that we need to move bike lane traffics off to other blocks and that would be one solution but not a total solution. >> every morning i put my life in the drivers' hand. i run to the ocean and cross 19th avenue and turn the the ipod off and i look and walk and it's human nature we're talking about. the cars are going to come. we need to educate people that the law is pedestrian is king it's meaningless when the car hits and you it's about awareness and also if i can take the rest of the time to think big. instead of building tunnels to no where and billions of dollars and tunnel down 19th avenue and geary and provide real

transportation and get people where they need to go. >> mr. garcia. >> there was a comedian on johnny carson and she said the people go to school and said watch the lights and it's the cars. the lights didn't kill anybody and i watch horrified and the kids are texting and otherwise not paying attention and they walk into the street because they have the right-of-way. we have to educate them. it's difficult and when you go left or right and the time is up and your time to turn is up so we have that problem. on slope it's terrible watching the kids trying to cross the street and it's a dangerous street and narrowed it and we need to do more and the lighted cross walks and someone is in

the cross walk and if you're in the right lane you see them stop and not sure why. >> all right. next question. on the subject of transportation. two part question. how would improve muni's on time performance and support students. >> yeah. i am one of the few muni riders regularly and muni's on time performance is atrocious and i believe it only meets the city's goals maybe 60, 70% of the time so to improve the performance you basically have to hold management accountable and in my opinion they're not doing a good job at putting the trains and buses out on time and we have to hold muni management

accountable and free muni for children -- is that what you asked? >> for students. >> yeah. i definitely support that and for seniors as well. >> all right. thank you sir. mr. rogers. >> you just recently they purchased 45 new buses and i think -- so maybe that's going to make some difference and the buses will be more on time. let's hope so, but in terms of children i think should be a driving on muni for free. i think that would be ideal. not every parent has enough money to give their children bus money and some of the schools -- i remember i had to walk all the way from almainy and brother hood to james denton which was miles. i will tell you and i was tired by the time i got there i didn't even want to go to school. i needed to take a

nap. anyway that's my feeling about that. >> all right. thank you. >> i think that's an unrealistic goal anyway and the only one that can predict that is god and my assumption that you can put something on time with as many mechanical break downs and people don't show. it's impossible. i think we should refocus it on safety, getting every person who gets on public transportation to point a to point b safety and that is the number one reason i believe we should look at and focus it safety getting everybody from point a to point b. as far as the childrens i am opposed to that. my father back in the early 1900's would take from the fairy building and walk all the way to save 5 cents of the day and at the end of the week he

gave his mother 25 cents to buy food, so no, i think free ride is not the right way to go. >> mr. yee. thank you. >> thank you. if i had the solution to solve muni's problem i probably be the governor of california or something. you know but realistically there are things we can do. basically we need to fund muni fully so that we have enough bus drivers to drive the buses, the new buss and one of the ways to do this and fully fund it and by fully fund it we will get rid of the over time that we're paying and again when you pay over time you're not getting your money's worth and do i support free muni for youth? absolutely. i want to keep the families in san francisco but this is not the right time to actually fund free muni for all youth. i would

support at this point free muni on free and reduced lunches in san francisco. >> thank you. >> it's true muni's on time performance and other elements -- excuse me, of muni are in such bad shape and as someone that takes it often i can tell you it first hand. many of you feel the same way i am sure. what is so bad about muni and how do we stack up against new york and other systems as well? is it the electronsics? is it the employees or the trains? i would like to talk to shawn elsbernd and he's worked hard on it, but if it is found -- if there are specific places to target whether technical or in personnel we do need to focus on that. as for free rides for youth i am screechish at the

idea of just giving away free rides like that. i would like greatly reduced and families and where they need it but a blanket and children grow up and learn that is just something they should expect i do have a problem with that. i do want to help those in need but that isn't the first way to do it. >> all right. thank you. mr. crowley. >> muni moves more than bart. it's the biggest in the united states. for the on time performance it's tough to get around traffic and mitigation but they have a plan afoot and bypass areas that have bus stops on every block and that is one way to improve performance. as far as free muni for kids i support that but in practice we don't have the budget to support it and that's my stance today. thank you. >> okay. >> i took muni to get here

tonight. i share a car with my partner so two days a week when he works in the city i get the car and when he's in silicon valley i am on muni. big picture we're not going to fix it on time and most is on the service and there are traffic jams and again instead of spending billions of dollars and doesn't connect to the existing muni and tunneling down geary where it's needed and as far as free muni for youth does it make sense we're hundreds of thousands of dollars in deficit and give free fares and people say they need to take it to school and that brings up a issue why aren't they going to neighborhood schools. we create more problems and we need to get to the root caused of the problems and as supervisor i

will advocate for the school board that is in favor of neighborhood schools. >> thank you. mr. garcia. >> when i was school i took operation research and i was a math teacher and i found it difficult and it was area map and dhl, ups come into existence and had to deal with routing and i talked to him and we don't have that and that's one thing we should do and drivers not providing notice and not show up. that doesn't work well and it's difficult to weigh in on the issue of children should be provided with free passes. i think joel is right and why can't kids go to school in their neighborhoods and you have to weigh it in reality and whether children can eat or go to school on muni and that's a difficult choice and if we do it we

should mean's test. >> all right. ms. gavin. >> well, it's very interesting. i think that muni does need a lot of work and i have used muni, public transportation all the while i have lived here for almost 15 years, you about i can compare it from other places where i lived so there are -- i think management is one of the biggest issues because it's leadership and i think muni really can work, but you have to want it to work. it is your voices that are very important and will get muni work. it works in los angeles. over a million people a day use public transportation and during the commuting hours the buses are moving every seven minutes so it can work. i have seen it work in other places. the issue with the free bus pass if we have them all of the children are entitled to them because their parents are paying into it, and if not i know it could be an

issue with money but i'm not just for giving a pass and there is no correlation it's going to improve and kids are going to go to school so i am kind of hesitant on that. thank you. >> all right. thank you. our next question, parking, parking meters. what is your position on variable rate parking meters and metered street parking on sunday? we will begin with mr. rogers. >> well, parking on sundays in the portolla valley area is a bad idea because people stay there all day. i am sure everybody will agreeing with that, but when it comes to parking i think that this is the solution to the short fall of muni is to provide tickets and be able to give this money to muni to able to make it run better, to have it have more money, and at this point in time i think they have hired 40

additional policemen and they become more aggressive in their ticketing style in order to be able to pay for their $40,000 year living, and i think it's getting to be too much. i am against all these tickets and i think they should go back to a simpler time when they didn't have as aggressive ticket policy. >> all right. thank you. >> that supposedly generates 2.5 million dollars but i believe san francisco is one of the number one tourist attractions in the united states. it generates $9 million tax revenue a year and the buddhists say in heaven and hell is on everyday. you come into the city, can you go church and come out and go

to westportal and get a ticket. i think that is morally wrong and gouging and gouging and eventually it's just bad pr and for the generating 2.5 million dollars on this budget it's senseless and it's just more government putting the throats -- putting the boots on the throat of the average day citizen. >> all right. thank you sir. mr. yee. >> so let's face it. let's not make our parking meters the atm for the city. i mean we really need to support the notion that we don't want meters to operate on sunday, especially in our district, district seven. the business corridors need access to customers and when you charge on sundays

and parking meters the same people shopping and at restaurants they're going to go somewhere else. they're going to go to stonestown and the malls and if you believe in the small businesses in the community then we need to support the notion that we're not going to allow for parking meters to operate on sunday. >> okay. thank you mr. yee. mr. bye. >> i completely oppose sunday and late night meters and our district. i agree with norman that it really will literally drive people out of the area and down to south city or some other area in which people want to come to this part of town for the small town experience that we have and shopping in westportal or walking around getting lunch at ocean or some place like that, but it's also speaks to something i mentioned earlier. it's another way that

city hall is butting heading with residents and businesses. when residents feel threatened by the government they don't trust the government and we need less of the head butting and yes the city needs money but we can't do it on the backs of small business and the threats to residents and i completely oppose the meters on sundays and late nights. >> mr. crowley. >> in district seven i think it's necessary to dismiss this idea all together and let's not forget the holidays and they hit them as well. a one size approach doesn't fit this and i suggest the parking lots at the ball field and we do dynamic pricing and that is one solution that is dense and know they're going to pay for parking and looking for solutions to fit

their car in for free. only in areas where there is the retail wrap that should happen but in district seven it's a disincentive for the merchants. >> we are good at shooting the goose and in the foot and muni says we have a deficit let's gouge the drivers. are you going to drive anywhere? no. you're going somewhere else and where is that revenue that we need? and by the way give free passes to youth and expand it from there, so we gill the gooses and shoot the drivers in the foot by digging a deeper hole for yourself and why don't we increase revenue and ticket the people that are riding muni and not paying? enforce that. >> thank you. mr. garcia. >> it sounds like i watch a lot

of tv. there is a guy that appears on channel 26 when they do the board of supervisors and he has a wrap about silly hall. this is one of those silly things that we're doing. i think if you were to do cost benefit curves it probably cost the city money and when you ticket people so much for parking meters and have them inappropriate times and past 6:00 p.m. and on sundays and hurts businesses and therefore the net revenue to the city is less than it would otherwise and as far as variable rate parking i think that is a good idea. in some areas it's harder to find a meter and when you do you should pay more for it and i love the fact you can have an app on the phone and in danger of going over the time you can feed the meter from your phone. good idea. >> thank you sir. >> well, there is something i would like to add that is not part of the question so there

are three things i would look into. i am absolutely against on sundays. i think it's just ridiculous and i think you should be able to want to go out and not really have to look at your watch and if you're in the restaurant or whatever, and i think it does drive business away from small businesses and go to the peninsula and the shopping malls and so forth, and also i think we have to look at -- i think it should be mandatory that everyone could have a parking permit for their neighborhood if they live in the city. i think they should be to have that and we have to look at the issue of the disabled placards. i do have one, and i have seen a lot of abuse with them. i think that is part of the parking problem because they are truly misused by a lot of people. that's one issue that i would truly look at. thank you.

>> thank you. >> yes parking here in san francisco is a major cash cow for local government. they raise close to $200 million in revenue from parking here and the variable meters in my opinion is just another gimmick. it parks close to $6 an hour to park at a meter on any given day it's ridiculous. i am opposed to the variable rate meters and would take the residential permit one step further and allow those people to be allowed to use the parking permits to park on meters in shopping areas so i would propose that i am definitely opposed to send meters and saturday meters. it's a deterrent to patronizing small business. >> okay. the resulting economy has resulted in internet base

for short term rentals and many of the rentals are illegal and the hotel tax is not collected. should the city legalize some or all of the arrangements and collect a hotel tax and we will begin with you -- i will be glad to repeat the question. >> i honestly don't know how you would enforce a law like that. of course everyone should pay their fair share but i don't know how you could enforce that. i believe we should standardize the inlaw units, maybe sure they're up to code and regulate any new units but as far as taxation i cannot see how you could actually enforce that and collect the taxes on it. >> thank you sir. mr. yee. >> cheryl i just want to make sure -- >> i can repeat it. there is internet base market for short

base rentals and they sublease units to visitors and tourists and many are illegal and the city's hotel tax is not collected. should the city legalize these arrangements and collect the hotel tax? >> i traveled to different countries and i go to the internet and they have hotels and these rentals advertise and i have used these apartments as rentals for either a few days or one week and it's kind of nice to be there so i would support it and once you have it legalized you have again another base of revenues to tax and if they do advertisement and most will or go through an agency people would know about it, so it's not like -- right now we're gaining nothing and people are doing it anyways so why don't we take advantage of the fact we legalize it and actually increase our tax revenue. >> thank you sir.

>> well, i know this issue got some press earlier this year but i don't know how widespread it is. i mean is this a real issue that really needs to be dealt with or is this solutions looking for a problem? i just don't know. i would to know how how widespread it is and if it's taking a bite of out of the city's tourist dollars or getting more press than it should? i don't know the answer to that. if it's indeed really quite widespread then yes it needs to be dealed with one way or another but i'm not an erkts economists and i would talk to others in city hall and the tax assessor and others how it can be done legitimately and fairly

and forgive me if i am side stepping it but i would like to know more. >> thank you. mr. crowley. >> this is again something that i am not wholly vetted on and i am a member of the convention bureau and i believe they should be taxed but a moratorium or lien that you limit the number of nights before you're in full scale of hotels and hotel stays and i am not well vetod this and i would like to hear their responses as well. >> all right. >> i am a strong believer in property rights and if you own your home you should be able to do what you want with it without government interference and only 35% are owned by people